>> ted cruise was asking whether or not chuck hagel was some secret jihady or getting paid by the iranian government. >> that's not something he ran on, i don't believe. >> i don't think so. >> whereas, elizabeth warren is asking a simple question about when these banks have lost -- >> it could be an unfair comparison. >> it's classic media attempt to, like, find an equivalent on each side. >> her goal was to get the clip, right? i mean, her goal was to -- snoo her goal was to get the clip and raise the conversation. i'm not sure her goal was to change the dynamic so that she created -- >> for a clip? >> no. absolutely. it's a real live issue. >> you want banks to be tried? >> i think she does. i think -- i'm not saying she was grandstanding per se. i'm just saying that you get into this kind of position. ultimately you have -- there's a practical element, which is you want to go to washington and get stuff done. the question is what does this accomplish beyond this segment that we're having? >> the thing she holds is not -- she succeeded the great ted kennedy who arguably was one of the